Energy vs Power vs Heat vs Oh no! July 5, 2009
Posted by gordonwatts in CERN, LHC.1 comment so far
Last post I mentioned the LHC update that was given at a recent meeting at CERN. One cool thing Steve Myers’ showed during his talk was a discussion of the quality of the splices and how it might affect the LHC’s ability to run.
For a sample of the trade-off, check out this plot, stolen from page 46 in the talk.
Along the x axis is the measured resistance between two magnets (across the splice). The units there are nano-ohms – something only the most expensive multimeters can measure. If you remember your Physics 101 course, you remember P=I^2R (power is current squared times resistance). The units of P are Watts (!) – just like your light bulb. These are superconducting magnets, of course. The magnets are very powerful and so have 1000’s of amps of current flowing through them. So even small R’s mean decent heat sources. Heat warms up the magnets, and makes them no longer superconducting – and that can be a disaster (a few of these is not a problem – it happens every now and then – but a chain reaction is what caused the last September accident). So – the splices, which aren’t superconducting, need to be excellent and have almost no resistance. Like 10-15 nano-Ohms.
The Y axis is how much current you are pumping through the magnet. Current is proportional to the magnetic field, which is proportional to the energy we can run the LHC at. As you can see, if you can run at about 6700 amps you can run at 4 TeV. If you run at 8300 amps then you can run at 5 TeV.
The red and green lines are the keys to reading this plot – they are two different conditions for the state of the copper joints. The LHC machine folks always talk about the worst case scenario (the red line) – but I’m not 100% what the difference between the two is. Lets say you want to run at 5 TeV. Follow the 5 TeV line over from the left of the plot until it hits the red line. You see that it drops down to 58 nOhms. That means all splices have to be less than 58 nOhms in order to run at this energy. The machine is full of these splices. So this is a bunch of work checking these guys!! [listen to the video on the agenda page at about 30 minutes in]. So, one of the things the LHC engineers are doing is measuring all the splice resistances and then putting them up on that plot to see where they are.
BTW, nominal is 10-12 nOhms, and they need to be less than 25 to run at a full 7 TeV (two beams at 7 TeV gives you 14 TeV, the design of the LHC).
LHC News July 3, 2009
Posted by gordonwatts in CERN, LHC.1 comment so far
Sorry if this is old news…
CERN management recently had a council meeting. These meetings take place between the council and the CERN directory general. Big funding changes, new projects, major schedule changes, a new country wants to join CERN, etc., all have to be approved by this council. As you might imagine the recent council meetings have been dominated by the “schedule changes” (I don’t actually know as a function of time if that is true, but I would imagine).
What is nice about the current CERN DG is that he usually immediately sends a message out to the public and the the CERN folks. Much better than reading about an updated CERN LHC schedule in the Geneva newspaper. Even better, a presentation to all of CERN (and an open webcast) is schedule. The last one just happened (there is a video link and slides link at the top of the agenda, just under the main agenda title).
Everyone is eager for data. I’ve discussed what I think are some of the pressures on the accelerator division previously. This meeting is a continuing part of that conversation.
It is clear they are doing a huge amount of work. They have a lot done. A huge amount. From a physicist’s point of view, the most frustrating thing about Steve Myers’ talk was there is no date and no energy. It wasn’t clear to me what the plan was until someone asked a question at the very end of the talk. Basically – they will have measured the splices (electrical connections) in all of the LHC in early August. Those splices are what caused the disaster last September – so it is important that all of them be carefully measured. And once they have measured everything – then they can start a discussion with the experiments on start up schedule and energy.
Next time something on the trade offs…
Da Vinci’s Take on the LHC February 9, 2009
Posted by gordonwatts in LHC, physics life.3 comments
This is old news, but I stumbled across this for the first time. Check out this drawing:
That is the CMS detector, taken apart. Stunning, huh?
Obviously, Da Vinci didn’t draw that – rather a member of the CMS collaboration, Sergio Cittolin, did. He is the project leader for the trigger and data acquisition systems for CMS. Apparently they are on the cover of the CMS physics Technical Design Reports (TDRs). Sadly, as I have only the electronic version, I never caught this! The drawings are beautiful. I want some large poster size ones to hang up outside my office at UW!
I found this in a Physics World article.
Chamonix: What The LHC Experiments Will Be Doing This Summer February 3, 2009
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Wow – I didn’t realize how many meetings there were going on this week! In ATLAS there is the trigger workshop I’m attending in Beatenberg. I know of a Liquid Argon Calorimeter week going on in Marrakesh (lucky bastards!). The Chamonix meeting, however, is the one where everyone wishes they could be a fly on the wall at.
Every year for years and years (going back more than 20 years, I’m given to understand) the CERN accelerator folks decamp to Chamonix to discuss all things CERN accelerators (perhaps to do a bit of skiing to!?!?). CERN is large and quite active – with more than the LHC going on, so they have a lot to discuss! Of special interest, of course, is how they will manage the startup for the LHC.
The current date for startup is this summer — July. That is subject to change, of course, if they find a problem with the ongoing repairs. The news I’ve heard of the repairs has been quite smooth – though I’m not really plugged into the rumor mill. So perhaps that July date will stand – which would be great.
But there is a lot more to decide than the start up date. What energies will they try to run at? How many protons will they put in the machine: how intense will they make the beam? How fast will they ramp the energy and intensity up? Heck, how long will they experiment with single beams before they try colliding beams?
From the experiments point of view, the most important a few collisions (at least in my opinion). It almost doesn’t matter what energy they are at. Even just a few days would be a huge help to commission the detectors. We’ve taken 100’s of millions of cosmic rays now – we know a lot about the basic performance of a substantial fraction of the detector. But the trigger and timing ourselves to match the LHC’s collisions is hard! We all guess there is a lot of work there. And any data at all would be a huge help. The process is sort of like diminishing returns: the first dollop of data lets you get the big things right, the next the next most important things are tuned up, etc. And what is worse is those first fixes are usually the largest and require the most time – imagine if we’d had a few days of collisions last September. Wow – we’d be so much further along than we are today (or we know that we were so much further along if everything had worked)!
Of course everyone wants to do physics as well. There the experiments will probably push for higher energies – if the LHC will accumulate only a small amount of data those higher energies are required to give any competition at all to the Tevatron. Of course, the LHC may want to operate at lower energies to keep things safe.
We’ll see what they say…
2009. Ready or not January 2, 2009
Posted by gordonwatts in ATLAS, CERN, D0, Fermilab, LHC, politics, science.4 comments
We’ve made it through the first day of 2009. I have mixed feelings about this coming year.
- Federal Science Funding Levels. The economy is crashing down around our ears. Business responds quickly (layoffs
) – government is a bit slower. If things followed their natural course of action that would mean science funding, along with everything else, will take yet another hit. However, the incoming Obama administration seems to be committed to spending the USA’s way out of this recession, so in the end funding might not change very much. I am hopeful that hard sciences funding will remain at least stable. - Federal Science Funding Directions. Climate change is what the Obama administration is focused on. There is a good chance that if you are researching something connected with climate change you may have access to increased funding opportunities. I would expect a funding profile similar to NIH’s funding during its years of increase. I would like to think that funding will spill over into the physical sciences – it should because there are connections between the physical sciences and clean air technologies. All of this is applied scientific research. I hope that the pure research funding gets an increase as well, as an investment in this countries future (particle physics is pure research, of course). I’m feeling neutral here.
- Federal Science. Obama’s science team is just a BLAST of fresh air when compared to the current administration’s. After all, his DOE nominee is a Nobel prize winning experimental physicist. Even if the science advisor isn’t elevated to a cabinet position (PDF), there will be someone in the room that knows a great deal about science, research, and how it is done. Even if there are cuts to science funding, I’m very hopeful there will be intelligent cuts rather that unscientifically motivated cuts. I’m very hopeful in this respect.
- State Universities. The economy in states is depressing. Some states, like my own (Washington) that rely on sales tax are being hit hard and very fast. State universities can’t escape that, obviously, and my university is no exception. Unfortunately, this usually translates to reduced raises, inability to counter offers from outside, reduced support for research, etc. In our own department I wouldn’t be surprised if some people left for other universities that, for whatever reason, were able to make good offers in this awful climate. There is, in fact, already evidence this is happening. The only consolation is most universities are in the same boat, and so most of them are having similar problems. I know less about private universities, but I do know the endowments of many of them are also having difficulty. I’m very downbeat about this: it will be a rough two years at least, I think.
- My Science. When it comes to the Tevatron and the LHC… Well, I see no reason that the Tevatron shouldn’t continue to break records in luminosity (they just broke one earlier this week). And the experiments will continue to be flooded with data. While it is possible for one experiment or the other to have a catastrophic failure, I doubt that will happen. And they should continue to produce papers and science at a furious rate. I also am looking forward to real LHC collision data this year. While I hope it will be at the full 14 TeV, I suspect it is more likely to be at 2 TeV, just a hair above the Tevatron’s luminosity. We’ll hopefully know what the machine scientists think about that sometime in February. I’m really hopeful about this.
- New Years Resolutions. Well, I made only one. That way I have a hope of keeping it: make bread more often.
I think there is a chance that I will keep this one. Especially now that I’ve said it publically.
Of course, this should also be a fun year, as noted by the Beacon News:
Frustrated with their failed attempt to destroy the world in 2008, the scientists at Fermilab and their counterparts at Switzerland’s CERN physics lab resolve to perfect their new device, the Large Planet-Sucking Black-Hole-o-Tron.
Here is to another great year of data collection and science at the Tevatron and first collision data at the LHC!
Some Official Information and Even Pictures December 5, 2008
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Robert Aymar is the outgoing Director General of CERN. He gave a recent update of CERN accelerator activities at the ECFA conference. It is a complete update, but there are a few pages in the middle with information on the current state of the LHC. And – lo!!!!! – pictures. Just two. And no ice is visible. I’ve extracted one of the pictures and put in here. That is the link between two magnets – normally the two magnets should be totally lined up.
There are three mitigation strategies that he lists in this talk:
- Improve the quench detection system. The improved sensors will help better localize problems as well as detect them a bit faster.
- Add relief valves all around the accelerator. If such a disaster occurs again then these releif valves should prevent the violent pressurization that occurred and caused such a lot of damage (like the moved magnets shown above).
- Better anchoring of the magnets. So if there is another pressure build up the magnets are less likely to move!
He also mentions two other inter connects similar to the one that failed that have an abnormal resistance – but their resistance is thought to be much less than the interconnect that failed. In ATLAS we’ve been having to evacuate the cavern due to numerous electrical tests of the LHC when they were localizing these. Nanohoms. So small!
Unfortunately, there is no real mention of schedule in this talk. It is nice to see something that is officially public. This matches the talk I saw on Monday, but, of course, it looks like CERN has made it officially public. It would be nice if they would do the same thing to that other talk too.
What is sad about this is I found this out from a news posting in DZERO, which was linking to a USLHC blog. Why did it come to me that way!? They can do a little better!!
The LHC turnon December 3, 2008
Posted by gordonwatts in LHC.2 comments
Last week there was a talk at an ATLAS meeting that got wide coverage in the blogosphere. The talk, by Jorg Wenninger, was full of detail, and Not Even Wrong did an excellent job of summarizing the talk.
One thing that worried a lot of us was picked up by Peter in his posting:
There is also a plan is to add pressure release valves on every dipole cryostat, but this is highly problematic since it will require warming up all the sectors and likely would not allow the LHC to run with beam during 2009.
As we saw in a meeting here at CERN earlier this week, that turns out not to be entirely true. They can actually add pressure relief valves to the LHC magnets while they are cold. They can do more to the warm sections, but they can do enough to the cold sections to make it capable of withstanding a massive quench like the one on September 19th.
This extra information is nice because it means that when CERN talks about starting to run in summer 2009 it doesn’t mean the accelerator will be in danger of a similar disaster. My impression is sometime in early February there will be a final discussion on exactly what the run parameters will be, along with a startup date more precise than July 2009. I also suspect there won’t be any further news before then. BTW, during this talk it was commented that they have already started to replace the damaged magnets. Nice to see them working so fast, though I suppose they have to in order to meet the fairly aggressive schedule of startup next summer!
The LHC did make BlackHoles October 7, 2008
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This joke was told to me by the father of a friend at a 1-year-old birthday party. He isn’t a scientist, but, like many people, fascinated by the science that is going on.
I see the LHC did produce a blackhole after all! It just drifted over to wall street and is starting to swallow the universe there…
I’m sure we can rewrite this to make it better – but the idea is just too good to not write it down…
LHC To Be Opened This Weekend October 3, 2008
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Well, I may not be getting my gossip from blogs right now, but my email still renders it. I’m given to understand that Lyn Evans, head of LHC operations, said that they will finally have access to the tunnel this weekend at the LHC conference in Split – so they can figure out exactly what went wrong. He gave a talk there, but this information came during the Q&A session. Further, from their preliminary examination they have enough magnet spares to replace everything that looks like it might have been damaged. That is very good news. Next week is ATLAS week and Evans is scheduled to give another talk there – perhaps he will have more details by then. Sadly, that meeting isn’t public so even if he does post slides I can’t point everyone to them!